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May 28, 2004


Kevin Heller

Overlooking your heretical comment about GODFATHER II -- one of the few sequels to surpass its predecessor -- and taking issue with your assertion that TWO TOWERS is better than RETURN OF THE KING (though respecting your opinion), I have to generally agree about part IIIs. I'd add SCREAM 3 to your list; it was by far the worst of the three. And SCARY MOVIE 3 -- I liked the first two; the third was stupid. I do have two counter-examples, though: FRIDAY THE 13TH, PART III, and HALLOWEEN III. The former was great, and in 3D in the theaters. (Remember the eyeball flying toward you? Awesome.) And the latter was much better than HALLOWEEN II, though it was a stand-alone story, not a true sequel.

Tung Yin

Re "Godfather 2": I don't deny its artistic quality. I just didn't care for it much personally.

Re sequels: Actually, I can think of a number of true sequels (i.e., #2) that surpass the originals. "The Empire Strikes Back," "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan," "Superman II," "Aliens," "Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey," "Terminator 2: Judgment Day," and "X2: X-Men United." Of course, I realize some of these are judgment calls, and reasonable minds can disagree about, for example, whether "Alien" or "Aliens" is better.

I didn't think of those horror movies because to me, they're hard to keep separate. I did see "Scream" and "Scream 2" and enjoyed them, and I think I saw parts 3, 4, and 5 of the "Nightmare on Elm Street" series, but they all blur together into one long mix of bad Freddy Kruger puns. . . .


Kevin was right. Godfather 2 was one of the very few sequels that surpassed the original. In fact, I would argue that Godfather 2 was one of the 10 best movies ever. As for Godfather 3, it doesn't exist as far as I am concerned. A few years ago, before it was released in the U.S., i bough the Godafather movies on DVD from Hong Kong as gofts, and threw out Godfather 3 rather than give it to my buddies. They feel as I do, that it didn't exist.

Also, a third movie that wasn't really that bad was Die Hard: With A Vengance.

But, there were Friday the 13th Part 3 and Jaws 3, both horrificly released in 3-D. Talk about God-awful movies.

Bill and Ted's Bogus Adventure was better than the original? Perhaps you watched it after you attended a Berkeley "peace, love, and good vibes" party.

And, George Lucas has a one more shot at redemption in Episode III next year. If would stop trying to get 9 year olds on board, and end the story like he should, he can redeem himself for Jar-Jar Binks, the Ewoks, and the horrible casting choices for Anakin. (Unlike Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan, who is his second best casting decision overall behind Harrison Ford as Han Solo)

Oh well, at least they shelved Blair Witch 3:


Kevin Heller

As much as I appreciate Brian's vote of support, I have to agree with Tung about BOGUS JOURNEY. It's one of my absolute favorites: the Death character is fantastic, and you've gotta love the whole playing-Battleship-with-Death thing, which is an allusion to Bergman's THE SEVENTH SEAL, an allusion I imagine less than 1% of the audience actually gets. That said, EXCELLENT ADVENTURE is exactly that.

Additionally, the only way EPISODE III isn't going to be god-awful is if something untoward happens to Lucas, Christiansen, et. al. But I agree with Brian about McGregor -- he's great. They just need to give him something to do!


Thanks to you guys, I just $4.10 to rent Bogus Journey, to see what I missed last time.


Although Rocky won an Academy Award for Best Picture, Rocky III was a comparable, if not superior, movie from a certain vantage point. And I think the third movie in Clint Eastwood's Man Without A Name series, The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly, is considered on par with its predecessors (A Fistful of Dollars & For A Few Dollars More). Another interesting question might be whether remakes tend to better than the original.

Jeff Findel

Battleship with death! The evil robot Us-es were much cooler than the good ones they created though. George Carlton played his greatest role in the first one as Rufus.

I say at this point, George Lucus should just tank Star wars 3. He should just set out to make the most god awful, franchise destroying, nerd infuriating, monsterpiece of cinema ever deployed against the human race. That way the series could finally rest in hell instead of wallowing in the limbo that is the craptacular Episode II attack of the clones...

Indiana Jones 3 was pretty good, was back to the future 3 the worst of the series? Scorpion Kiing was the third of the 'Mummy' series, was 'the meaning of life' the third Monty Python movie? Not as thought provoking as the life of Brian and not as funny as holy grail...

Brian T

I have to chime in on this. First off, Star Trek Nemesis, an even-numbered trek movie, sucked royally. Second, Star Trek: The Motion Picture was without a doubt the best of the odd-numbered trek movies. I even liked it more than #6.

Godfather II is an amazing movie, and Godfather III sucked worse than I could have imagined. Can't believe they made it.

Return of the King doesn't belong on your list, yes it's maybe the least favorite of the three, but it's pretty hard to include a movie that won 11 Oscars, including Best Picture and Best Director.

Aliens 3 was a piece of crap, and Alien: Resurrection wasn't much better, so you're dead on there.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade was perhaps the weakest of the three, but as with the LOTR trilogy, it's hard to put it on any list of bad movies. Let's hope that Indy #4 doesn't end up making any such list.

As another counterexample, take The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, the third movie in the Sergio Leone Man With No Name trilogy. That movie, along with Once Upon a Time in the West... best damn spaghetti westerns out there.


"'The Godfather 3': I have to admit, I wasn't really a fan of 2 either, but what was 3 about?"

3 is a loose adaptation of Conrad's Victory, just as Apocalypse Now was a loose adaptation of Conrad's Heart Of Darkness, except that 3 sucked and Apocalypse didn't.

Jason Steffens

I'm with Peter -- Rocky III was excellent.

I'm definitely not with Brian T -- Star Trek: Nemesis was quite good. It was essentially TNG's Wrath of Khan. Not as good, but an entertaining clone.

And The Last Crusade was definitely not the weakest Indiana Jones. That, easily, belongs to Temple of Doom.

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